Comments on: Codeplex wastes six months reinventing wheels http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/ mostly tech, mostly rants Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:54:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Soundboards MP3 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12524 Soundboards MP3 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:35:32 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12524 Good points there, nice article. Many people have to learn the hard way, so at least this waste of time results in progress eventually. Good points there, nice article. Many people have to learn the hard way, so at least this waste of time results in progress eventually.

]]> By: Why Can’t Microsoft Ship Open Source Software? | The CyberwBlog http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12119 Why Can’t Microsoft Ship Open Source Software? | The CyberwBlog Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:19:29 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12119 [...] Codeplex wastes six months reinventing wheels, Ryan Davis has a bone to pick with Microsoft: I saw an announcement [in March, 2007] that [...] [...] Codeplex wastes six months reinventing wheels, Ryan Davis has a bone to pick with Microsoft: I saw an announcement [in March, 2007] that [...]

]]> By: Robert Millan http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12063 Robert Millan Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:34:12 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12063 > Welcome to the enterprise model. Microsoft as any other enterprise likes to provide a > complete solution themselves. They don’t want to be dependent on an open source project. > You’ll find the same model in any other enterprise. DEPENDENT?? So you can become dependent on a free software project? Wow that's _nasty_. I wonder how do IBM & HP & Google & Sun & all the big players manage to survive? Or maybe those are not enterprise. /me points and laughs > Welcome to the enterprise model. Microsoft as any other enterprise likes to provide a
> complete solution themselves. They don’t want to be dependent on an open source project.
> You’ll find the same model in any other enterprise.

DEPENDENT?? So you can become dependent on a free software project? Wow that’s _nasty_. I wonder how do IBM & HP & Google & Sun & all the big players manage to survive?

Or maybe those are not enterprise. /me points and laughs

]]> By: Boycott Novell » Embracing and Extending SVN — the Microsoft Way http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12055 Boycott Novell » Embracing and Extending SVN — the Microsoft Way Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:33:05 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12055 [...] old and familiar maneuvers, new project though. This time Microsoft is redoing SVN. It’s doing it the ‘Microsoft way’. This infuriates me. This cool thing they [...] [...] old and familiar maneuvers, new project though. This time Microsoft is redoing SVN. It’s doing it the ‘Microsoft way’. This infuriates me. This cool thing they [...]

]]> By: eam http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12050 eam Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:22:16 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12050 Good point. It's a lot easier to eat the dog food than it is to make it. We all know the metrics on bugs per line of code. Good point. It’s a lot easier to eat the dog food than it is to make it.
We all know the metrics on bugs per line of code.

]]> By: Bruce http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12029 Bruce Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:15:10 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12029 @Tet you said "There’s just no valid rationale for not using a distributed version control system in this day and age. There are many available (mercurial, darcs, git, monotone, svk, bzr, etc., and of course, bitkeeper), so take your pick. But Subversion is a tool from the dark ages." How can you say that without realizing that SVK is built on top of SVN and that the SVK developer is a contributor to SVN development? ...sigh... @Tet you said “There’s just no valid rationale for not using a distributed version control system in this day and age. There are many available (mercurial, darcs, git, monotone, svk, bzr, etc., and of course, bitkeeper), so take your pick. But Subversion is a tool from the dark ages.”

How can you say that without realizing that SVK is built on top of SVN and that the SVK developer is a contributor to SVN development?

…sigh…

]]> By: Toby http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12018 Toby Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:03:09 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12018 @ Eddie Garcia, Svn 1.5 brings mature branch/merge tracking. Not bad for $0.00, eh. Plus there are a lot of things Svn does *better* then Perforce, etc. @ Eric B, I hope other commenters have persuaded you that there was actually quite a bit technically wrong with CVS. Certainly Svn is the "compelling replacement" and one would never feel comfortable with CVS again after adopting it. @ all the astroturfers: Bwahahaha.... @ Eddie Garcia, Svn 1.5 brings mature branch/merge tracking. Not bad for $0.00, eh. Plus there are a lot of things Svn does *better* then Perforce, etc.

@ Eric B, I hope other commenters have persuaded you that there was actually quite a bit technically wrong with CVS. Certainly Svn is the “compelling replacement” and one would never feel comfortable with CVS again after adopting it.

@ all the astroturfers: Bwahahaha….

]]> By: Martin Zugec http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12016 Martin Zugec Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:22:50 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12016 100% agree - I was surprised when I tried to contact Microsoft regarding TFS (I was curious about advantages), we were premium customer. They send "TFS specialist" - when I asked him how could TFS compare to our current setup with subversion (and some custom components), he asked "Subversion what?". That was very disappointing. Not to mention fact that we were engineers, not developers (and used SVN for scripts or some packages), so he should be much better informed than us :( Martin 100% agree - I was surprised when I tried to contact Microsoft regarding TFS (I was curious about advantages), we were premium customer.

They send “TFS specialist” - when I asked him how could TFS compare to our current setup with subversion (and some custom components), he asked “Subversion what?”.

That was very disappointing. Not to mention fact that we were engineers, not developers (and used SVN for scripts or some packages), so he should be much better informed than us :(

Martin

]]> By: matt mc http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12013 matt mc Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:19:03 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12013 The comments here are pretty funny. I am just glad everyone is finally using version control. With Visual Source Safe it was pretty ridiculous- in many cases you were safer not using it. When we tried to use TFS (in late 2006) for the version control features we had to drop it in favor of Subversion because it was lacking a command line client. This meant that in order to check out the build I needed a GUI client installed (and licensed) on the server. Needless to say, this makes a lot of build and deployment automation tasks more difficult. I am glad to see that has been addressed, to the extent that it has. TFS was also a lot of work to manage in terms of permissions and licensing- we wanted to able hit source control from anywhere- even RedHat and Solaris servers, log in, and go. I thought I was going to like the task integration part, but it had way too many features. We were able to get started with svn and trac in 4 hours after a couple of weeks of messing around with TFS. I suppose MS is working on a distributed version control system next- or are they going to wait until git has been around for five years to see if it catches on? The comments here are pretty funny. I am just glad everyone is finally using version control. With Visual Source Safe it was pretty ridiculous- in many cases you were safer not using it.

When we tried to use TFS (in late 2006) for the version control features we had to drop it in favor of Subversion because it was lacking a command line client. This meant that in order to check out the build I needed a GUI client installed (and licensed) on the server. Needless to say, this makes a lot of build and deployment automation tasks more difficult. I am glad to see that has been addressed, to the extent that it has.

TFS was also a lot of work to manage in terms of permissions and licensing- we wanted to able hit source control from anywhere- even RedHat and Solaris servers, log in, and go. I thought I was going to like the task integration part, but it had way too many features. We were able to get started with svn and trac in 4 hours after a couple of weeks of messing around with TFS.

I suppose MS is working on a distributed version control system next- or are they going to wait until git has been around for five years to see if it catches on?

]]> By: Sarath C http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12012 Sarath C Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:18:38 +0000 http://ryepup.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2007/03/27/codeplex-wastes-six-months-reinventing-wheels/#comment-12012 Microsoft is capable of doing things. they've best resources and products. When you're playing with web a google like approach would be better I think Microsoft is capable of doing things. they’ve best resources and products. When you’re playing with web a google like approach would be better I think

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